tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8958311231520405027.post3836921100524979400..comments2023-12-02T08:48:05.495+00:00Comments on Dave Watson: Keir Hardie and the devolution debateDave Watsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02001339406583991407noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8958311231520405027.post-30901990588472678632020-06-07T01:47:00.338+01:002020-06-07T01:47:00.338+01:00The thing I love about socialism is that whilst ma...The thing I love about socialism is that whilst many people claim it, nobody owns it! Hi Dave, by the way. Baiterbloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10969687490036635753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8958311231520405027.post-27551587008459492402020-04-17T15:39:30.433+01:002020-04-17T15:39:30.433+01:00Hello Stewart. There are lots of socialists who fe...Hello Stewart. There are lots of socialists who feel like Ella - I don't feel welcome in the Labour Party, there is no place for my leftist views which are much more mainstream than Keir Hardie's ever were. When you look in the mirror have a wee think about whether the remark you posted above was the 'welcoming voice of Labour' - is this going to attract people back? Labour used to be about inclusion. The problem in Scotland is that many socialists feel so out of place in the party that they might as well feel out of place in another one - one that is marginally more left than Labour presently seems to be. This is not about badges this is about beliefs and if you think that Labour presently is a home for socialists please help to enlighten us. I am not a member of the SNP, the Greens or any party by the way. <br /><br />What is worrying is that it seems that the perspective of many on the left in Scotland (now moving over to the SNP or Greens) has now been borne out by the leaked document and that the Labour people Ella mentions above actively worked against Corbyn and a Labour victory in the GE. If that doesn't make you question the type of people in the party I do not understand you. There comes a time when ideology must play a bigger part in one's life than adherence to what has simply become a brand.<br /><br />With regard to the above article - very nice piece which I enjoyed reading Dave - keep them coming.WTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8958311231520405027.post-91938910692790047262020-01-29T10:31:35.283+00:002020-01-29T10:31:35.283+00:00Ella, you say you are sickened by those of profess...Ella, you say you are sickened by those of profess to be Labour. Hardie would fight the right across the UK, not break it up and run away. You loudly claim to have Labour values, yet are a member of the SNP. Bet you puke each time you look in the mirror.Stewart MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17995871937883025164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8958311231520405027.post-41852382619126326362017-05-07T00:00:16.609+01:002017-05-07T00:00:16.609+01:00Spin it any way you want, Hardie if he lived today...Spin it any way you want, Hardie if he lived today would be disgusted in tghe Labour or Torylite party as far removed from Hardie's socialist party as you can get....Blair and his left of centre supporters soon ousted many of longtime leftwing grassroots members/activists, by the time I left I knew I'd been with a bunch of strangers who were as far removed from my socialist values and that Labour had indeed been kicked out in the cold but their were in my eyes, aliens who were running under the name Labour. Hardie seeing how massively divided Labour was, how there was so many knives in real grassroots Corbyn's back he would NOT have been a happy man! He would also look at the situation Scotland was in and had a real hard look at Brexit, far right fascism/racism encouraged by UKIP and the Tories in power and THAT would be the last thing he would want his beloved Scotland to ever be infected with, let alone controlled by this far right fascist Tory party for decades to come.<br /><br />I have no doubt like the thousands of real grassroots Labour folk that found a home in SNP who were far nearer in many ways to old grassroots Labour than Blairite party has been for years. The obessive hatred for SNP and trying to paint them bad makes those spouting this rubbish goes to show that even if SNP made every Scot millionaires, you lot in this Labour that is an insult to the real grassroots Labour, would still spout #SNPBad. The reason majority of us never came back......should give you a reason we're pretty happy where we are, even if Indy was not on the table, I may have been born into Labour family but I'll be quite happy to die as one of the family of 120k SNP members.<br />Scottish Labour need to stop dictating about Labour members will be chucked out of they support Indy, if Hardie favoured Home Rule for Scotland way back then, with the world evolving nothing stand still or stays the same, Home Rule, devolution would most definitely have evolved to Independence had Hardie seen the state of UK now. The division is irreparable. Scotland is so far removed from England in too many ways, far-right fascist/racist Brexiters versus socialist/left of centre compassionate anti racist Remainer Scots. Labour and Tories in Scotland willing to sacrifice Scotland and its people because they are so far stuck in the past. What kind of civil war would Scotland land up with if we suffer as badly as is predicted, do you honestly think that almost 2 million Scots especially the young Scots will roll over and be shafted by Westminster and this union? <br /><br />Not a chance, I certainly wouldn't see much peace in Scotland in the future if our struggles are by far worse having been trapped in this god forsaken broken union and the Scottish unionists will be blamed.<br />One correction should be made, read James Callaghan's Winter of Discontent and read where he admists it was over 30 Labour MPs and not SNP that let in the Tories under Thatcher, then again its one of Labour's traits, to blame everything on anyone else but themselves. I once was a loyal servant to Labour, now Labour sicken me to the core, not the name but the people who profess to be "Labour"Ella Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12706107030359019939noreply@blogger.com